
Pod Save the World Trump Flirts With Nuclear Annihilation
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Nov 5, 2025 Sanna Marin, the former Prime Minister of Finland, joins the discussion to share insights from her tenure and her book, "Hope in Action." She highlights the unique challenges women face in leadership and emphasizes the need for societal action to protect young politicians from online harassment. Marin also delves into Finland's NATO membership response to Russia's invasion, urging faster military aid for Ukraine, and addressing the growing threat of far-right politics in Europe.
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Danger Of Impulsive Foreign Threats
- Trump threatened to invade Nigeria after seeing a Fox News segment about a supposed genocide against Christians.
- Ben Rhodes and Tommy warn this impulse-control-driven threat risks destabilizing relations with a crucial African partner.
Sudan Shows International System Failure
- The RSF's takeover in Darfur has produced mass killings visible by satellite and indications of ethnic cleansing.
- Ben Rhodes argues the international system's failure and lack of pressure on backers like the UAE enabled this catastrophe.
Use Leverage Against Proxy Backers
- Apply diplomatic and economic leverage on countries arming militias, like halting arms sales to the UAE until support for the RSF stops.
- Use targeted sanctions and international pressure to disrupt proxy supply lines and reduce violence.




