The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall

Episode 2: Marylyn Remembers

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Oct 27, 2025
Marilyn Harris, the former wife of psychiatrist Lawrence Pazder, shares her harrowing experience with the fallout from the Michelle Remembers case, revealing how it strained her family and marriage. Cheryl Proby Ostman, sister of Michelle Smith, offers a unique perspective on their childhood and critiques the book's portrayal of their lives. Both provide deep insights into the personal and societal chaos caused by the book, shedding light on the emotional toll and moral panic that ensued. Their stories highlight the stark difference between familial memories and the sensational narrative that captivated a nation.
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Marriage Undone By A Patient's Story

  • Marilyn Harris describes how Larry's belief in Michelle's story tore their family apart and led to divorce.
  • She recounts discovering Michelle living in their house and collecting evidence to challenge the book's claims.
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Therapy Tapes Became A Sensation

  • The book Michelle Remembers presents vivid, horrific recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse recorded in therapy sessions.
  • Those session transcripts and public appearances made the story sensational and widely publicized.
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Sisters' Childhoods Shaped By Loss

  • Cheryl Proby Ostman recounts family life with an often-absent, alcoholic father and a devoted mother who died young.
  • She recalls practical details and how the sisters were split up after their mother's death, shaping their later skepticism.
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