How good is Dana Perino’s advice, really? Just ask the young woman who watched The Five, took Dana’s tips to heart, and used them to land a job at Fox News—then signed up to be mentored by her favorite host. In this episode, Dana shares career advice for Dan’s son, her take on finding love, and why we should all go easier on our scrolling thumbs.

From leading a PR firm to serving as White House Press Secretary, and now co-hosting America’s Newsroom and The Five, Dana used to think success meant reaching the top. But over time, her definition changed. In this conversation, you’ll hear how she came to see real success as growth and serenity—and how you can find a little more of both in your own life.

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