All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview
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May 25, 2025 
Senator Ron Johnson, a fiscal conservative from Wisconsin, dives into the complexities of the reconciliation process and its impact on national debt. He unveils concerns over the growing $65 trillion debt projection and the political barriers to fiscal responsibility. The senator emphasizes the need for a thorough review of government spending, critiques energy spending initiatives, and advocates for sustainable energy solutions. Johnson's insights reveal the current and future challenges for the MAGA and conservative movement in addressing these pressing fiscal issues.
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Government Power Corrupts Spending
- The government has been corrupted by power, leading to uncontrolled spending.
- We lack a real process to control spending despite budget reconciliation tools.
Budget Reconciliation Limits Exploited
- Budget reconciliation focuses on mandatory spending, excluding discretionary spending.
- Many expenditures have been improperly shifted into mandatory, inflating uncontrolled expenses.
Adopt Line-By-Line Budget Audits
- We must scrutinize government spending line-by-line to expose waste.
- Developing a process like Doge's contract audits can control budget effectively.