Our guests from the Netherlands, Tunbosun Afolayan and Dieuwke Swain, talk about moving countries, cultural differences, ethical dilemmas and communicating about science. Tunbosun Afolayan has four degrees ranging from a Bachelor of Science in Geology and Mineral Sciences to an MBA in Energy and Sustainability. She has worked in the gas and petroleum, solid minerals, water and finance industries, and was recently named a Rising Woman in Energy by the Mediaville Women in Maritime and Energy award. She is a new IABC EMENA region member, having recently moved from Lagos, Nigeria to Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Tunbosun was a facilitator at our IABC Converge event last year on the rise and impact of short term gig and contract roles in comms careers Roundtable. She is joined by Dieuwke Swain, who is one of our IABC EMENA region board members and also lives in the Netherlands. Dieuwke also has a mixed scientific and communications background. After gaining Bachelors and Masters degrees in Molecular Biology, she made a career switch into supply chain at the turn of the millennium, and then moved into internal communications 10 years’ ago. Since then she has worked both in-house and as a consultant for multinationals and non-profits. She is now a Communications Manager at IDEXX, a global leader in veterinary diagnostics, software, and water testing.