Episode 511: Embracing the Disease Called Freedom (with Slavoj Zizek)
Nov 23, 2023
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Renowned philosopher and cultural critic Slavoj Zizek discusses allegations of anti-semitism, the embrace of Hamas by the left, and the need for critical thinking during crises. Topics also include the ongoing conflict between Israel and Gaza, the erosion of freedom through policies and censorship, tensions between the US and Israel, and the erosion of free speech in America.
Populist movements have eroded civil society, leading to a loss of core left values.
Control mechanisms in today's society are more insidious and pervasive than overt oppression.
Transnational cooperation and coalitions are necessary to address global challenges and protect individual freedom.
Deep dives
The erosion of civil society and the rise of populism
The podcast episode discusses how civil society has been eroded and taken over by populist movements, leading to a loss of core left values. The guest and host delve into the dangers of this trend, highlighting examples from different countries, such as the control of civil society by hardline Zionists in Israel and the manipulation of civil society by cancel culture. They explore the impact on freedom and the need for a new approach to organizing that combines both local self-organization and transnational coalitions. The conversation raises concerns about the erosion of free speech and the importance of protecting civil society from state control.
The paradox of freedom in the modern world
The episode examines the paradoxical nature of freedom in the modern world, contrasting George Orwell's vision of a boot stamping on a human face forever in '1984' with the subtle control exerted in today's society. The guest argues that modern control mechanisms, such as corporate and media manipulation, are more insidious and pervasive than the overt oppression of the past. They discuss the limitations of both extremes of totalitarianism and consumerist society, emphasizing the need to recognize and preserve true individual freedom within the constraints of contemporary power structures.
Challenging the notion of the sovereign nation-state
The episode challenges the concept of the fully sovereign nation-state, highlighting its limitations and negative tendencies. Examples from various countries, including China, India, and Turkey, are used to illustrate the danger of ethnic and cultural homogeneity enforced by strong nation-state ideologies. The guest suggests that instead of prioritizing nation-states, there should be a push for transnational cooperation and coalitions to address global challenges such as migration and climate change. The conversation also emphasizes the need to reevaluate the role of civil society and the state in providing freedom and protection for individuals.
Critiquing the left's failure to uphold core values
The episode examines the left's failure to uphold its core values and their loss of focus on freedom. The guest and host discuss how the right has capitalized on this by presenting themselves as champions of freedom, leading to the left's neglect of formal freedoms and civil society. The conversation touches on issues such as the erosion of free speech, the manipulation of political correctness, and the tendency of cancel culture to exclude rather than include individuals. The need for an independent left politics rooted in civil society is emphasized as a way to reclaim and protect core values.
The complexities of global freedom and the crisis of democracy
The episode delves into the complexities of global freedom and the crisis of democracy. The guest examines the interconnectedness of different societies and the challenges posed by global issues such as migration and climate change that cannot be addressed solely within a national framework. The conversation raises questions about the role of civil society and the state, highlighting the dangers of both state control and the erosion of civil society. Emphasis is placed on the need for new forms of organization and transnational coalitions to combat the current crisis and protect individual freedoms.
This interview with Slavoj Zizek was meant to be the moment when the channel stopped obsessing about the brutal bombings on Gaza and the intractable conflict between Israel and Palestine and returned to theory. This was not to be. Zizek had a lot on his mind regarding the allegations of anti-semitism that he faced, the strange embrace of Hamas in some quarters of the left, and the need to think during a time of crisis.
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