The Way Forward with Alec Zeck Ep 172: The 4th Phase of Water: The Blueprint for Biological Energy with Dr. Gerald Pollack
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Jun 18, 2025 
In this conversation, Dr. Gerald Pollack, a professor at the University of Washington, unpacks his groundbreaking research on the fourth phase of water and its role in biological energy. He introduces the concept of structured water and the Exclusion Zone, which challenges traditional understandings of biology. Pollack discusses the implications of water's properties for cell health and cancer, and shares insights on how modern toxins affect our biological water structures. He also touches on revolutionary theories concerning respiration and the Hadza tribe's unique hydration practices.
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Meeting a Scientific Giant
- Gerald Pollack recounts meeting Sir Andrew Huxley despite contradicting his muscle contraction theory.
- He learned that prominent scientists can be isolated and hard to challenge, affecting scientific progress.
Structured Water in Cells
- Water in our bodies is vastly more abundant and crucial than often realized.
- Gilbert Ling's idea of structured water challenges the notion that intracellular water is like ordinary liquid water.
Discovering the Exclusion Zone
- Initial experiments showed hydrophilic surfaces like gels exclude particles creating a clear exclusion zone (EZ) of structured water.
- Naming this zone "Exclusion Zone" helped communicate this phenomenon in research.
