The Bulwark Podcast

Sam Stein and Francis Fukuyama: A Coming Deportation Blitz?

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Oct 28, 2025
Sam Stein, Managing Editor at The Bulwark and a sharp political analyst, teams up with Francis Fukuyama, renowned political scientist and author. They dive deep into the aggressive deportation tactics emerging in Chicago and how Trump's allies are eager to escalate this nationwide. Fukuyama examines why populism thrives even in prosperous times, linking it to the dynamics of social media and cultural grievances. The duo also critiques liberalism’s challenges and explores how enforced social norms can alienate potential supporters.
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INSIGHT

Deportation Leadership Shift

  • Sam Stein warns the Trump administration is replacing ICE leadership to push aggressive, widespread deportations.
  • He fears Border Patrol tactics from Chicago will be exported to many cities, escalating inhuman enforcement.
ANECDOTE

Chicago Reporting Sparks Alarm

  • Sam Stein recounts Adrian's on-the-ground Chicago reporting showing manufactured civic unrest and community self-defense.
  • He uses the Chicago scenes to warn other cities could face similar confrontations with federal agents.
INSIGHT

Immigration As Core Ideology

  • Tim Miller and Sam Stein see immigration and tariffs as Trump's two core ideological drivers.
  • They suggest other policy moves are malleable while immigration remains a fixed priority for his team.
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