The count down is on in this episode (I'm not joking)! As Fi's timer ticks away, they discuss celebrity toilet encounters, upgraded train seats and advent.

Plus, they're joined by historical novelist Philippa Gregory discusses her latest non-fiction work 'Normal Women: 900 Years of Women Making History". And if you want to get a taste of Philippa's book, you can also check out her new podcast, also called Normal Women. It's available wherever you get your podcasts.

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Times Radio Producer: Kate Lee

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Too much girth, not enough remuneration (with Philippa Gregory)