#87 Challenging a Famous Neuroscientist On When Consciousness First Emerged

Dr. Michael Graziano is a neuroscientist, professor at Princeton University, and creator of Attention Schema Theory — one of the most provocative scientific explanations for consciousness to date.He argues that awareness isn’t magic or mystery — it’s the brain’s simplified internal model of its own attention. A trick of information. A self-portrait painted by neurons. And it just might explain why you think you’re a “you” at all.Expect to learn why consciousness is a useful illusion, how awareness emerges from neural models, what happens when these models break down in brain damage or stroke, why future AIs might think they’re conscious (and what that means for us), whether subjective experience can be explained without magic, why attention is the gateway to control, how consciousness helps us navigate the social world, what ventriloquism reveals about the mind, and how understanding this theory might shift everything we believe about thought, selfhood, and machine intelligence.SPONSORS:Try Sentia Spirits this Dry January (10% Off with Giant10): https://sentiaspirits.com/giantsshoulderMind Labs Pro Scientifically Rigorous Supplements: https://www.mindlabpro.com/?a_aid=67fd1cb8d9ad3&a_bid=6d45f5c3Timestamps: 00:00 Michael Graziano on Consciousness and the Brain03:47 Can Simple Creatures Be Aware?06:56 Where Selfhood Begins: Models in the Brain10:13 Why Awareness Is Useful for Control14:09 The Phantom Limb Illusion and Consciousness17:56 Consciousness as a Model, Not a Magic Spark21:32 What the Brain Tells Itself About Experience24:40 What Are You Actually Conscious Of?27:18 Graziano's Critique of the Hard Problem30:01 How Illusions Like the Body Schema Help Us Understand33:00 Phantom Limbs, Puppets, and Ghost Awareness35:08 What Is Attention, Really?39:02 The Brain’s Internal Sketch of Focus43:00 Attention Schema Theory Explained47:09 How Brains Build the Feeling of Mind50:25 Can Machines Ever Be Truly Conscious?54:18 AI That Says “I’m Aware” — Should We Believe It?58:10 When a Chatbot Starts to Suffer01:02:45 Society’s Slow Acceptance of Machine Awareness01:07:40 What Makes Human Selfhood So Stable?01:12:10 Training AI to Build a Model of Us01:16:05 Does AI Need a Theory of Mind?01:20:00 Graziano on Theory of Mind and Early Development01:24:25 Why Modeling Consciousness Matters in AI01:28:52 Can Language-Free Minds Still Model Others?01:30:28 ChatGPT and the Hinting Task — Reading Minds?01:34:12 Storytelling, Semantics, and Machine Intentions01:38:40 Could an AI Learn a Stable Personality?01:41:01 What the Next Decade of Neuroscience Might Reveal01:43:16 Final Thoughts: The Real Importance of Consciousness...❤️ Subscribe to our main channel - https://www.youtube.com/@thegiantsshoulder?sub_confirmation=1💚 Follow on Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5m3Gta5MtIYdk59pb2GJ7M?si=Ka2rAQv7TyqiC9wvGwERpA💜 Follow on Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-giants-shoulder/id1752486249Download my FREE EBook 26 Neuroscience Books for 2026 HERE: https://thegiantsshoulder.com/