Economist Podcasts I spy: meeting Ukraine’s intelligence chief
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Jul 7, 2023 
Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s youngest spymaster, shares insights on his role in the ongoing conflict, highlighting his charismatic leadership style and unconventional tactics against the Kremlin. Hal Hudson discusses the environmental challenges of deep-sea nickel mining, arguing for its potential benefits over traditional land mining in the quest for sustainable energy. The podcast also touches on the life of Donald Triplett, the first person diagnosed with autism, shedding light on historical perceptions and the evolution of mental health awareness.
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Meeting Budanov
- Oliver Carroll describes his experience meeting Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine's intelligence chief, at his headquarters.
- The office had sandbags, machine guns, pets, and Vivaldi playing, creating a strange atmosphere.
Budanov's Character
- Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine's intelligence chief, is described as oddly charismatic, intense, and resolute.
- He embraces his weirdness while remaining controlled and determined, focused on undermining Russia's power.
Budanov's Leadership Style
- Budanov is known for answering back to commanders and being difficult, yet inspires allegiance.
- A colleague describes him as a "boa constrictor" who "hypnotizes" and "devours" his targets.