Jaynes, Tolstoy, and Zhuangzi, with Isabela Granic
Feb 2, 2024
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Isabela Granic interviews Bryan Kam about Julian Jaynes, Leo Tolstoy, and Zhuangzi. They discuss the bicameral mind theory, religious conversion experiences, the shift in understanding divinity, Tolstoy's brilliant mind, comparing Joanza's writing to James, and writers' approaches to philosophical and scientific questions.
Julian Jaynes' theory challenges the assumption of a universal current state of mind, emphasizing the malleability of human cognition and the importance of understanding historical perspectives.
Leo Tolstoy's writing explores the interconnectedness of events and non-linear responses within complex systems, inviting readers to reevaluate their understanding of historical causality and the influence of individuals on society.
Deep dives
Julian James and the Bicameral Mind Theory
Julian James and his book 'The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind' are discussed. The theory proposes that in ancient civilizations, humans lived among gods and had direct interactions with them. James examines ancient texts and cultural practices, highlighting the transition from a worldview where gods were perceived as real, to a time when interaction with gods became limited and more ritualistic. The theory challenges the assumption that our current state of mind is universal and recognizes the importance of understanding how people in the past experienced and interpreted the world. This exploration of cognition and the malleability of human minds is a key aspect of James' work.
Tolstoy's Keen Observation and Complexity Dynamics
Tolstoy's writing, particularly in works like 'War and Peace,' showcases his ability to keenly observe the complexities of human behavior and societal dynamics. He defamiliarizes the familiar, making everyday life seem profound and new. Tolstoy's exploration of individualism and the role of great men in history is anti-teliological, emphasizing the interconnectedness of events and the nonlinear responses within complex systems. His writing invites readers to reevaluate their understanding of historical causality and the influence of individuals on society.
The Mind-Bending Wisdom of Chuang Tzu
Chuang Tzu, an ancient Taoist writer, challenges categories and deconstructs fixed perspectives through his profound and mind-bending wisdom. His writings, characterized by their philosophical depth and poetic language, emphasize the importance of context and perspective in understanding the world. Chuang Tzu's insights prompt readers to question their ingrained assumptions and expand their understanding of reality. His ability to deconstruct and reconstruct perspectives aligns with James' exploration of how perspective shapes experience and interpretation.
Part 7 in a series of interviews on the book I'm working on, Neither/Nor. In this episode, Isabela Granic asks about three thinkers that have influenced my thinking: Julian Jaynes (1920–1997), Leo Tolstoy (1828–1910), and Zhuangzi (369–286 BC) sometimes written Zhuang Zhou or Chuang-tzǔ).