The World in Flux: The Fall of the Neoliberal Order and the Rise of Culture and Class Wars (Ep. 15)

In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, the host Anirudh Suri engages in an in-depth conversation with Professor Gary Gerstle, they discuss the formation and dissolution of political orders, focusing on the New Deal and neoliberal orders, and explore how current global dynamics, particularly the rise of China and India, impact the U.S. political landscape. They delve into the potential shift of the U.S. towards a more state-driven model, the challenges of authoritarianism, and what the future holds for globalization, migration, and class conflict. The discussion also covers the evolving relationship between states and corporations, the populist revolt against cosmopolitanism, Political Order, and the complexities of managing global tech giants. Professor Gerstle provides an analytical framework for understanding these transitions, drawing from his extensive work on political economy and history. 00:00 Exploring the New Political Order Amidst US-China Rivalry 01:20 Introducing Professor Gary Gerstle and His Work 04:18 The Concept of Political Order: A Deep Dive 14:31 The Impact of Global Events on Political Orders 22:40 The Rise of China and India: Shaping the Global Economy 24:35 The Pendulum of American Political Orders 34:37 US-China Rivalry: A New Era of State-Driven Models? 40:18 Exploring the Thin Line Between Strong States and Authoritarianism 42:09 The Role of Judiciary and Constitution in Preventing Authoritarianism 44:48 State-Corporation Dynamics: A Tug of War 46:36 Global Governance vs. Corporate Power: The Challenge of Tech Giants 49:50 Neo-Feudalism and the Future of Global Order 51:53 Digital Colonialism and the Future of Global Corporations 54:58 The Pendulum Analogy and the Future of Global Politics 57:02 Envisioning the Future World Order: Multipolarity and Its Challenges 01:02:17 The Future of Class Conflict and Cultural Shifts 01:08:57 Navigating the Complex Transition: Advice for Leaders About Gary Gerstle Gary Gerstle arrived in Cambridge in 2014 after a three-decade career in the United States, most recently at Vanderbilt University where he was James G. Stahlman Professor of American History. He is currently Paul Mellon Professor of American History Emeritus, Paul Mellon Director of Research in American History, and Fellow of Sidney Sussex College. He is a historian of the twentieth century, with substantial interests in the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. He received his BA from Brown University and his MA and PhD from Harvard University. He is a Fellow of the British Academy and of the Royal Historical Society. Follow Anirudh here: X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuri Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suri Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.in Website: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/) Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/) Book Links: Anirudh Suri: The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My

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