AUDIO EXCLUSIVE [this interview took place June 13, 2025]

Back in 2024, the Los Angeles City Council passed a “sanctuary city” ordinance and said the city would not collaborate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. “They are lying,” says Hamid Khan, an expert on the surveillance state and organizer with the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition. In this timely interview, Khan unpacks “fusion centers” where agencies like DHS, the FBI and local law enforcement work together to gather and share data on citizens — regardless of their criminal record. Long before Trump’s crackdown on immigration rights and the protests in Los Angeles, LAPD would have ICE in their headquarters, he shares. Join Khan and Flanders as they discuss shocking truths about police spying and surveillance, and why we must become aware and take action.

Guest: Hamid Khan: Organizer, Stop LAPD Spying Coalition, Board of Directors, Los Angeles Community Action Network (LA CAN)

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Related Articles:

• ‘This isn’t an isolated incident’: Trump’s show of military force in LA was years in the making, by Rachel Leingang and Lauren Gambino, June 11, 2025, The Guardian

• Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’ by Andrew Gumbel, June 12, 2025, The Guardian

• Trump can keep California National Guard deployed for now, appeals court says, by Caroline O’Donovan, Karin Brulliard, Mark German and Kelsey Ables, June 14, 2025, The Washington Post

• Appeals court questions judges’ ability to review Trump’s Los Angeles group deployment, by Dietrich Knauth and Daniel Wiessner, June 17, 2025, Reuters

• Immigration raids in Los Angeles hit small business owners: ‘It’s worse than COVID’, by Tim Reid and Kristina Cooke, June 17, 2025, Reuters

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