The Inside Story Podcast Are people switching off from the climate change debate?
Nov 22, 2025
In this insightful discussion, Professor John Sweeney, a leading climate scientist from Ireland, shares perspectives on the essential roadmap for COP30 amidst complex disputes over fossil fuels. Professor Allam Ahmed presents the pressing justice needs of developing nations in the climate dialogue. Michael Shank, a climate communication expert, emphasizes the importance of human-centered messaging to connect climate issues with everyday life. Together, they explore the barriers to progress, lobbying challenges, and practical steps for public engagement in climate action.
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Naming The Root Problem Matters
- Climate talks stall when negotiators avoid naming the root cause, like fossil fuels, which blocks meaningful action.
- Short-term news cycles and collective amnesia about extreme events make sustained public pressure difficult.
Lobbying Drives Parallel Climate Tracks
- Fossil fuel industry presence at COP is rising and shapes negotiation outcomes.
- New parallel forums aim to build consensus on phasing out fossil fuels among willing nations.
Just Transition Is About Justice, Not Charity
- Developing countries demand a 'just transition' because they did not cause the emissions yet face existential harm.
- They insist major emitters should support adaptation and compensation to avoid leaving nations behind.