This week, Vanessa and Jolie explore the theme of Success in Chapter 34 of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss Harry’s plan, the Deatheaters’ success, and Ron as an engine. Throughout the episode we consider the question: what are the many possible ways in which we can measure success?

Thank you to Emily for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 35, Beyond the Veil, through the theme of Desire with Matt Potts!

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