“How do we all occupy space on this planet in a way that does justice to our own dignity? How do we reclaim our own dignity and honor the dignity of others?” These are among the questions that hosts Evanna Lynch and Dr. Melanie Joy will be exploring on the Just Beings podcast.

In this episode, Evanna and Melanie kick off the show with an intimate conversation in which they recall how they bonded over their shared solutionary approach to addressing injustice, highlight the importance of striking the right balance between personal development and social impact, and discuss why the conversations they’ll be having on the show are so needed at this moment in time. They also introduce the formula for healthy relating—and explore how we can all begin practicing this formula in our everyday lives in order to work toward a more just world.

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This episode was edited by Andrew Sims.

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