Kris Abdelmessih - Life Through a Volatility Lens (S7E10)
Jul 29, 2024
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Kris Abdelmessih, co-founder of moontower.ai and a seasoned market maker, shares his journey from the bustling trading pits to the digital world of volatility. He emphasizes the importance of real-time learning in trading. Kris discusses the shift from market making to relative value trading and the critical role of firm lineage in shaping traders. Delving into his new venture, he introduces tools for leveraging a volatility lens in options trading. The conversation also touches on how board games can enhance strategic thinking in trading.
The trading floor facilitates rapid learning through real-time observation and interaction among traders, a dynamic often lost in electronic trading environments.
Transitioning from market making to relative value trading requires a mindset shift towards long-term positioning and managing risk rather than quick profits.
Understanding the influence of firm lineage on trading strategies highlights how diverse backgrounds shape traders' approaches and decision-making processes.
Deep dives
The Value of Learning on the Trading Floor
The unique environment of trading floors fosters accelerated learning due to the proximity and interaction between traders from competing firms. This social dynamic creates opportunities for traders to observe and reverse engineer the strategies of others in real-time, leading to a heightened learning rate. For instance, a trader in the pit can gauge market sentiment and make more informed decisions based on the actions of notable market makers, which is something that is lost in the electronic trading landscape. The floor allows traders to develop an informal credibility score for their peers, guiding their decision-making process and enhancing their understanding of market movements.
Transitioning from Market Making to Relative Value Trading
The transition from market making to relative value trading involves a significant shift in mindset regarding trade evaluation. Market makers focus on immediate price changes and flipping trades quickly, while relative value traders prioritize holding positions for long-term value based on their analysis. The speaker highlights that adopting a warehousing mindset is crucial, requiring patience and the ability to manage risk over time. This shift can be challenging, as traders must adapt to thinking about trades in terms of scaling and risk premium rather than quick profits.
The Importance of Perspective and Optics in Trading
Understanding the influence of firm lineage on trading styles helps to clarify why different traders approach the market in varied ways. Traders from firms focused on quick trading will often prioritize speed and the ability to flip positions, while those from organizations emphasizing warehousing will adopt a slower, more deliberate strategy. The speaker emphasizes that investing in one’s understanding of the trading landscape is key to further navigating their career, suggesting that one's approach to trading evolves with their experiences and the environment they've been exposed to. Consequently, hiring decisions within firms often hinge on the lineage of candidates, as it impacts their understanding of market depths and strategies.
Navigating Volatility in Options Markets
In the context of trading options, distinguishing between different forms of volatility is crucial for effectively expressing market opinions. A trader’s opinion should not solely revolve around directional views but should also consider volatility as a factor that shapes decision-making. The software developed by the speaker aims to provide tools that marry stock opinions with volatility insights, allowing traders to structure their options strategies more effectively. This perspective helps traders execute trades that align closely with their risk-reward preferences, potentially enhancing their overall performance.
The Role of Education and Games in Trading
The speaker discusses the importance of education in trading and how games can serve as valuable tools for developing a trader's mindset. He highlights specific games that facilitate the understanding of strategic thinking and decision-making, which are critical in trading scenarios. For example, games like 'Acquire' simulate market dynamics through resource allocation and competition, fostering skills applicable in trading environments. By engaging with these games, aspiring traders can build their analytical and strategic capabilities, which are essential for success in the trading world.
My guest in this episode is Kris Abdelmessih, co-founder of moontower.ai.
Kris began his career at SIG, where he worked as a market maker in several different option pits, before moving to Parallax where he ran a relative value commodities volatility book. For the last five years, Kris has been writing on his blog Party at the Moontower, which is one of my favorite reads for all things probability, payoff space, trading, optionality, and seeing the world through a volatility lens.
Kris is a passionate educator, so it should come as no surprise that learning is a key thread throughout this entire episode. Kris discusses how learning is accelerated in the pits and how we can think about replicating it in electronic space. Kris discusses what he had to unlearn and relearn in his move from market making to relative value trading. He also shares his thoughts about how firm lineage influences how you learn to trade markets.
Finally, we discuss Kris’s newest venture, moontower.ai, which seeks to provide a “volatility lens” to opinionated traders to help them better express their bets in option space.
There is a lot of experience to unpack in this one.
I hope you enjoy my conversation with Kris Abdelmessih.
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