

Life changing travel experiences: Jumping freight trains in the Pacific NW
“He gave us five rules for jumping freight trains, and we broke every one of those rules once the adventure began.” –Brian H
In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and his longtime friend Brian recall their old ambition to jump freight trains across the Pacific Northwest, and what factors inspired it (4:00); what kinds of research and preparation they did to make the train-jumping experience possible (16:30); the early hours of their attempt to reach Canada by catching a boxcar from the Vancouver, Washington rail yard, and the dangers of challenges that awaited them (28:30); their unanticipated detour through the Columbia Gorge to Pasco, and their experience of getting detained by railroad police in Spokane (35:00); making the decision to escape Spokane by retracing their route, and getting stuck in a “hobo jungle” in the town of Wishram (56:30); making sense of the adventure afterwards, and how train-jumping has (and has not) changed in the social-media age (1:15:30).
Notable links:
- Van Life before #VanLife (Deviate episode)
- Jack Kerouac (American novelist)
- “Travel,” by Edna St. Vincent Millay (poem)
- The Autobiography of a Super-Tramp, W. H. Davies (1908 memoir)
- Chris McCandless (traveler, subject of Into the Wild)
- Hero’s journey (narrative template)
- Dr. Giggles (1992 horror movie Rolf appeared in as an extra)
- Emperor of the North Pole (1973 movie)
- Wishram, Washington (freight-depot town)
- Invisible Man, by Ralph Ellison (1952 novel)
- Rainbow Family (counterculture group)
Freight-jumping links:
- Freight jumping (train-travel method)
- Burlington Northern (railroad company)
- Freight Train Riders of America (criminal gang)
- Boxcar Killer (serial killer, a.k.a. Robert Joseph Silveria Jr.)
- Boxcar (type of freight car)
- Covered hopper (type of freight car)
- Flatcar (type of freight car)
- Gondola (type of freight car)
- Stobe the Hobo (YouTube playlist)
- Remembering Stobe the Hobo (Facebook group)
The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.
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