#5. Leaders Don't Matter...Until They Do: Nasdaq's Gautum Mukunda on Leadership

Gautum Mukunda is host of Nasdaq's "World Reimagined" podcast and the author of "Indispensable: When Leaders Really Matter". Few people have researched the implications--and triviality--of leadership as much as Gautum. The overwhelming research shows that even great leaders often are riding the momentum of their institutions while in power. But occasionally, a leader comes along that totally changes the game--a Churchill, a Bezos, or even a Trump. What makes a leader not just "good" but impactful? What can we do to ensure American society is protected from the impacts of narcissistic leaders, but can benefit from the visions of value creators? He's served as a professor at the Harvard Kennedy and Business Schools, and as a contributor to Forbes Magazine. Gautum is a long time friend and one of the people I respect most, I truly enjoyed this conversation.