The Inside Story Podcast What are the implications of Trump calling Somali-Americans 'garbage'?
Dec 5, 2025
Joi Chaney, a lawyer and Democratic strategist, discusses how Trump's incendiary language serves to energize his base. Eric Ham, a political analyst, provides historical context, linking Trump's rhetoric to a pattern of targeting marginalized communities. Samakab Hussein, a Somali-American representative, shares the local community's fears and unity efforts in Minnesota. They explore the potential global ramifications of such rhetoric, questioning its normalization and its effects on the U.S.'s international standing.
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Targeting As Political Weapon
- Joi Chaney says Trump targets Ilhan Omar because she speaks out and represents an easy focus for his bigotry.
- The attacks serve both to distract and to energise his base by creating a high-profile example.
Rhetoric Has Historical Continuity
- Eric Ham traces the rhetoric back to Trump's first term, citing the Muslim ban and other remarks as precedent.
- He argues the president cycles through minority communities as political targets and uses government powers to pressure them.
Unique Political Immunity Is Waning
- Eric Ham notes Trump's ability to tap a loyal MAGA base gives him latitude other politicians lack.
- He warns that tactic is showing diminishing returns as parts of that base begin to drift away.