Zach is joined by Kirk Goldsberry to examine why the Spurs match up so well with the Thunder and how it affects the rest of the NBA season. Then, they reveal their Christmas Day hot takes: They're fine with not bringing the Christmas jerseys back, Nikola Jokic is the MVP, and they're feeling better about the Cavs, despite the loss.

(0:00) Welcome to The Zach Lowe Show!

(2:02) Kirk Goldsberry joins the show!

(5:41) The Spurs are ahead of schedule and are legit title contenders

(16:34) This is the best rivalry in the NBA right now

(22:11) Should the Thunder have Chet Holmgren guard Victor Wembanyama more?

(25:51) The Spurs are not afraid of Chet

(33:38) The Spurs' role players are outplaying the Thunder's role players

(36:25) What is the ceiling for the Spurs?

(37:53) Zach’s Insights to Mediocrity

(41:34) Christmas game hot takes

(42:29) JJ Redick is not happy with the Lakers

(48:32) The Rockets offense is better than we thought

(53:37) Nikola Jokic is once again the MVP of the league

(56:48) Can we please get the tanking rules right this time around?

(1:01:20) Our confidence level in the Cavs after they fell to the Knicks

(1:07:01) Anthony Davis suffers a groin injury

Host: Zach Lowe

Guest: Kirk Goldsberry

Producers: Mike Wargon, Jonathan Frias, and Billy Gil

Social: Keith Fujimoto

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