The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg The Wings Are Eating the Center | Interview: Elliot Williams
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Oct 2, 2025 Elliot Williams, former deputy assistant attorney general and CNN legal analyst, joins Jonah Goldberg for a lively discussion. They dive into the implications of the Comey indictment and whether current political conflicts are reshaping party identities. Elliot highlights legal limits on domestic military use and how Congress has ceded oversight powers. They also examine the tension between justiciability and presidential actions, advocating for a pluralistic approach to counteract cultural monocultures on both sides of the aisle.
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Better Opponents Improve Conversation
- Jonah values having high-quality interlocutors at CNN compared with his past experience at Fox.
- He thinks better adversaries and allies improve public debate and book promotion.
Conflict Drives Virality
- Elliot and Jonah agree conflict sells in media and politics, producing virality and attention.
- They note modern publicity often depends on opposition rather than merit alone.
Blurring Crime And National Security
- Jonah found the Pentagon generals' meeting and Trump's comments about using cities for military training worrisome and unprecedented.
- Elliot warns that language like 'enemy within' dangerously blurs crime, immigration, and national security.
