Kevin Yank shares the challenges Culture Amp faced when scaling Elm & React with a Design System team in the middle, and how an acquisition tipped the ultimate decision to move Elm from “adopt” to “contain” at the company.
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Music by Jesse Moore.
Recording date: 2023.04.06 (07 on Kevin’s side of the world.)
Guest
- Kevin Yank (kevinyank.com)
Show Notes
00:01:03 Some of Kevin’s contributions to Elm
- "Developer Happiness on the Front End with Elm"
- "Elm in Production: Surprises & Pain Points"
- "Elm at Scale: More Surprises, More Pain Points"
- cultureamp/elm-css-modules-loader
00:01:45 History of Elm at Culture Amp
00:04:49 "Why didn’t you just…"
- Evan Czaplicki’s talk "The Hard Parts of Open Source"
00:05:54 The exciting challenge: styling Elm
- elm-css-modules-loader
00:10:50 Sharing a design system
00:13:48 Design System team challenges
00:16:30 Acquiring a large React codebase
00:17:24 Upgrading to Elm 0.19
00:19:24 Momentum before the acquisition
00:24:12 Communicating the decision to “contain” Elm
00:32:43 An alternative reality with Elm for Culture Amp
00:42:26 How Elm changed the way that the teams at Culture Amp work
00:44:34 Elm as a secret weapon for recruitment
00:48:00 “Why didn’t you just use web components?”
00:49:25 Kevin's blog post
00:55:56 Success, or how never adopting Elm at Culture Amp would be worse
00:59:34 Take responsibility for user experiences
01:00:23 Reminiscing on past episodes
- Elm Town 48 - Making Little Games Like Presents
- Elm Town 51 – You went down the well? That’s the cheat way!
- Elm Town 37 - Upgrading to Elm 0.19 with Luke Westby & Richard Feldman
- Elm Town 36 - The Risk of Elm with Dhruv Dang
- …all of them ;)
01:06:15 Elm Radio rocks!
01:08:10 Thanks
- Kevin Yank
- Xavier Ho
- Murphy Randle
- Fergus Meiklejohn
- Former sponsors
- Listeners
- ...and many more