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277. Trump and Climate Populism with Ben Rhodes
Dec 12, 2024
Ben Rhodes, former Deputy National Security Advisor under Obama and a keen political analyst, joins the conversation to tackle the pressing issue of climate populism. He argues for a fresh strategy to harness populist sentiments for climate action, aiming to shift the focus onto the oil and gas industry's control over negotiations. The discussion also delves into the contrasting political styles of Trump and Harris, the impact of U.S. policy shifts on global climate cooperation, and the importance of engaging diverse voices in the climate movement.
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- Ben Rhodes advocates for a 'climate populist' strategy to engage broader audiences by framing climate issues as affecting everyday citizens rather than elites.
- The podcast highlights the potential for international cooperation on climate action as other nations adapt to a reduced U.S. role in global agreements.
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Changing U.S. Foreign Policy Landscape
The conversation revolves around the evolving foreign policy landscape in the United States, particularly as a shift in leadership occurs with Donald Trump's inauguration. The historical context of U.S. climate leadership, characterized by inconsistent involvement from different administrations, is highlighted to illustrate the challenges of developing a cohesive response to climate change. Notably, the previous administrations' transitions between proactive and retreating stances on climate efforts have created a complicated legacy that complicates current policymaking. The speakers stress the need for a united approach to climate policy that is resilient to changes in political leadership.
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