In this engaging discussion, Richard Rohr, a renowned spiritual teacher and author, shares insights from his latest work, The Tears of Things. He reframes prophets as vital voices against systemic societal sins rather than just moral enforcers. The dialogue explores the dangers of dualistic thinking, the significance of humility, and the necessity of self-awareness in spiritual growth. Rohr reflects on his journey, the importance of initiation rites, and how genuine transformation requires embracing imperfection and compassion in our collective struggles.
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Rohr's Transformative Moment
Richard Rohr's transformative moment came when people started responding to his teachings.
He was initially surprised, thinking others had already expressed similar ideas.
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Franciscan Way vs. American Culture
Rohr highlights the Franciscan emphasis on humility, contrasting it with American culture's focus on celebrity and wealth.
This difference makes the Franciscan path challenging in the US.
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Ego vs. Demonic
Christianity focuses on the ego, not demonic forces.
The group ego is even more dangerous than the individual ego, often leading to scapegoating and conflict.
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In 'People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil,' Dr. M. Scott Peck delves into the psychology of human evil, presenting case studies from his psychiatric practice to illustrate the destructive behavior of individuals who refuse to acknowledge their own flaws and instead project their failures onto others. The book distinguishes between ordinary sin and evil, emphasizing that evil arises from a persistent refusal to acknowledge one's own sins. Peck also explores themes of possession, exorcism, and group evil, using examples such as the My Lai massacre. He approaches these topics from a distinctly Christian perspective, arguing that spiritual healing is crucial in addressing human evil. The book is both disturbing and fascinating, offering a unique approach to understanding and combating human evil.
The Tears of Things
The Tears of Things
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Richard Rohr
Richard Rohr's "The Tears of Things" explores the role of prophets in society, contrasting them with priests. Rohr emphasizes the prophet's focus on self-critique and confronting internal 'sin' rather than externalizing blame. The book draws parallels between ancient Jewish prophets and contemporary challenges, urging readers to examine their own complicity in societal ills. It offers a framework for personal and collective transformation, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and confronting uncomfortable truths. Ultimately, it calls for a more just and compassionate society.
The Universal Christ
Richard Rohr
In *The Universal Christ*, Richard Rohr offers a profound reinterpretation of the concept of Christ, suggesting it represents a universal, cosmic reality that transcends religious boundaries. Rohr argues that recognizing Christ in all things can restore hope and meaning to our lives by connecting us with the divine presence in every aspect of creation. This book invites readers to contemplate a broader understanding of faith and spirituality.
Check out Richard Rohr’s latest book, The Tears of Things, where he explores the wisdom of the prophets and the realities of social sin.
In this episode of The Sacred Speaks, I sit down with Father Richard Rohr—one of the most respected spiritual teachers of our time. We dive into the significance of prophecy, the necessity of self-awareness in transformation, and the ways in which religion can both illuminate and obscure the path to truth.
Father Rohr shares insights from The Tears of Things, his latest book, which reframes the role of the prophets—not as finger-wagging moralists but as voices crying out against the deep, systemic sins that threaten to unravel society. Our conversation moves through themes of non-dual thinking, the dangers of religious idolatry, and how true spiritual growth requires both inner work and a commitment to the collective good.
Throughout the episode, Richard offers deeply personal reflections on his own spiritual journey, the necessity of sadness and self-doubt, and the ongoing process of transformation that never really ends.
Episode Timestamps
(00:00) Introduction and Announcements
(02:44) Richard Rohr’s Spiritual Journey and Early Influences
(08:21) The Franciscan Way and the Practice of Humility
(13:39) The Trap of Dualistic Thinking and the Ego
(18:43) The Power of Initiation and Rites of Passage
(35:00) The Role of Prophets in Society Today
(47:23) Understanding the Concept of Demons and Possession
(49:14) The Father Wound and Healing Parental Relationships
(50:23) The Prophets and Their Enduring Insights
(50:52) The Remnant and the Wisdom of the Minority
(53:27) The Problem with Majority Rule and Empires
(57:29) Personal Struggles, Doubt, and the Spiritual Journey
(01:06:17) The Role of Sadness in Awakening and Solidarity
(01:10:55) Medicalizing Sin and the Social Consequences
(01:14:49) The Prophet’s Vision and Its Relevance Today
(01:18:40) Reflections on Life, Death, and Spiritual Evolution
(01:27:52) Final Thoughts: Reward, Punishment, and the Nature of Grace
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Announcements & Updates
Exciting news! In May, I’ll be hosting my first online workshop, where I’ll explore key ideas from my upcoming book. This is a free offering, and if you want to be part of it, you can sign up when the new website is live @. www.drjohnwprice.com
You’ll have six weeks to register—don’t miss it!
Also, I’m getting back into a regular podcast rhythm—two episodes per month, including at least one solo episode where I’ll dive deeper into the themes of spirituality, psychology, and transformation. I’ve had a full year, but I’m excited to re-engage with these conversations and this community.
So, let’s get into it. Richard Rohr, welcome to The Sacred Speaks.