In this in-depth interview, I sit down with journalist Robert Kogan to explore the multifaceted issues surrounding the COVID pandemic. We dive into the development of vaccines by BioNTech, Moderna, and Pfizer, and discuss the One Health agenda's role in identifying and countering future pandemics. Our conversation uncovers the complexities of vaccine mandates and the need for transparency in vaccine reporting. We also examine the German-Chinese partnership in virology research and the dangers of studying wild pathogens in labs. Additionally, we highlight the EU's significant role in global censorship and the suppression of dissenting voices in academia. Finally, we discuss the persecution faced by prominent academics like German microbiologist Sucharit Bhakti. Join us for an enlightening discussion on these critical issues. Receive Exclusive Episodes & Q&A Content by joining our Substack Community: https://www.illusionconsensus.com/ Sponsors - Alcami Elements :https://www.alcamielements.com/ Receive 10% OFF first order or 30% OFF subscription order using code: ILLUSION -Brownstone institute: https://brownstone.org/