
The Jesse Kelly Show Hour 2: Growing Cells
Sep 30, 2025
Dr. Michael Waller, Director of Strategy at the Center for Security Policy and an expert on insurgency, delves into the dynamics of groups like Antifa. He explains how these radical movements grow and draw parallels to historical precedents. Waller reveals how violence can actually strengthen revolutionary groups and discusses the impact of 1980s El Salvador on current U.S. networks. He also suggests ways to counter these insurgencies, emphasizing the need for enhanced FBI strategies and local law enforcement support.
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Barefoot Hero At Chosin Reservoir
- Jesse Kelly recounts Medal of Honor recipient Hector A. Cafferata Jr.'s heroic stand at Tok Tong Pass during Chosin Reservoir.
- Cafferata fought barefoot in subzero conditions, killed many attackers, and saved numerous Marines despite severe injuries.
Handing Magazines In Freezing Combat
- Jesse describes Marines handing magazines in freezing night combat and one blinded comrade supplying ammo.
- He highlights improvisation like swatting grenades with a shovel amid brutal Chosin fighting.
Balance Core Fans And Growth Moves
- When expanding audience, calculate how far you can shift from your core without losing them and then chase new users.
- Kelly recommends measuring the trade-off between keeping P1s and recruiting broader audiences.



