Behind the Bastards

Part Two: Ancient Genocide and the War on Carthage

Jun 2, 2022
In this enlightening discussion, guest Joe Kassabian, co-host of the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast and an expert on military history, delves into the dark world of ancient genocide and the war on Carthage. He critiques traditional genocide frameworks, revealing how economic motivations often drive such atrocities. Kassabian connects historical events to modern-day rhetoric and explores the psychology behind ordinary people's participation in violence. The conversation underscores the necessity of prevention and the complexities of societal dynamics in fostering genocide.
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ANECDOTE

Mithridates’ Rapid Cleansing Of Roman Citizens

  • Mithridates ordered a sudden massacre of Romans in Asia, promising to divide victims' property with cities and officials.
  • Robert Evans and Joe Kassabian compare this swift ancient genocide to later economic-motivated seizures like Aryanization.
INSIGHT

Genocide Often Has A Clear Financial Motive

  • Economic gain often drives mass killings and helps convert passive resentment into active violence.
  • The hosts link Mithridates' property-sharing incentive to Nazi Aryanization as the same basic mechanism.
INSIGHT

A Motivational Hierarchy Explains Perpetrators

  • Staub and later scholars present a motivational continuum explaining why ordinary people join genocidal actions.
  • Security, moral integrity, social belonging, and desire for better life conditions shift people's priorities toward violence.
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