OpenAI Podcast Episode 5 - Defining AGI and the road ahead
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Aug 15, 2025 
Jakub Pachocki, Chief Scientist at OpenAI, and Szymon Sidor, a researcher at OpenAI, discuss the intriguing world of artificial general intelligence (AGI). They explore the potential of AI in automating scientific discovery and the significance of math competitions in shaping AI capabilities. With insights into reasoning breakthroughs, the duo reveals how close we are to achieving AGI and shares their journey from high school competitors to AI leaders. Their conversation also stresses the importance of mentorship and trust in an evolving AI landscape.
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Formative Programming High School
- Jakub and Szymon met at a Polish high school focused on programming competitions and strong mentorship.
- Their teacher Ryszard Szubartowski fostered deep competition-driven learning that shaped their careers.
AGI Is Impact, Not Single Benchmarks
- AGI milestones like human-level conversation, math, and research are distinct capabilities that have progressed at different rates.
- The true test is AI's impact: automating discovery and producing transformative technology.
Medicine Is A Promising Early Target
- Some domains combine heavy reasoning with domain intuition, making them especially ripe for AI assistance.
- Medicine looks particularly promising for early, meaningful AI-driven breakthroughs.
