Former FBI crisis negotiator Gary Noesner joins AJ and Johnny to unpack what it means to lead—and survive—under pressure. With over 30 years of field experience in prison riots, armed standoffs, and emotionally charged confrontations, Gary reveals what separates panic from poise and noise from influence.

They break down the psychological mechanics of negotiation, how to build trust when lives are at stake, and why the best negotiators don’t dominate—they disarm. Gary also shares how emotional neutrality, tone of voice, and even silence can be decisive tools when everything is on the line.

Whether you're navigating a boardroom, a conflict, or your own internal reactions, this episode gives you an elite mental framework forged in the FBI’s toughest scenarios.

What to Listen For
[00:00:00] Gary’s 30-year FBI career and what makes a good negotiator
[00:03:49] The difference between control and dominance in conflict
[00:07:16] What “emotional neutrality” really means in crisis situations
[00:11:02] Why listening can be more powerful than persuasion
[00:14:35] The importance of tone and tempo in gaining trust
[00:17:58] How Gary handles aggression without escalating it
[00:21:40] The role of ego in failed negotiations
[00:26:33] Gary’s rules for de-escalating fast-moving tension
[00:30:19] What civilians get wrong about confrontation
[00:33:44] Takeaways from three decades of high-stakes negotiation

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