Justin and Jason discuss meeting AnyFu all-stars Joanna Wiebe and Lance Jones, the eBook that Jason thinks Justin should write, the lessons Jason wants to teach his kids, principles of negotiation, why kids have to learn things the hard way, a post-mortem on the first Catalyst session and what Jason has planned for the second, Rob Walling's advice on buying apps and websites, Justin's new $$ Javascript framework and what it takes for an open source project to take off, how the NSA is recruiting hackers and the AT&T tech who blew the whistle on the NSA's domestic eavesdropping program back in 2006, why Jason thinks Justin would make more money if he marketed himself as an on-demand CTO, how Jason's father-in-law mistakenly deleted every recording on their DVR, the results of Colby's academic standards test and what is says about his personality, the story of Wordspoke.me, why Jason likes Titanium, how Google, Amazon, eBay and Facebook et al. are forming a powerful U.S. lobby called the Internet Association, how NOT to recruit top technical talent, the bacteria that was discovered eating plastic in the Sargasso Sea, AnyFu's true market and why the experts charge so much, and how scientists bioengineered an artificial esophagus.