The Daily Beast Podcast

I Know Truth About Why Epstein and Trump Fell Out

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Jan 2, 2026
Michael Wolff, a renowned author and journalist famous for his insights into Donald Trump, dives deep into the complex relationship between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. He reveals how their bond was built on wealth, models, and a shared disdain for New York's elite. Wolff discusses the rivalry sparked by real estate betrayals, Epstein's obsession with Trump, and the media's reluctance to expose their ties. The conversation raises questions about the implications of their fallout and how Epstein's legacy continues to cast a shadow over Trump.
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INSIGHT

Friendship Defined By Money And Models

  • Michael Wolff argues Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were intimate allies bonded by money, sex, and models for over a decade.
  • That long friendship is a key pillar for understanding Trump's character and public life.
ANECDOTE

Pool Photos And Mocking Rivalry

  • Wolff recalls photos of Trump at Epstein's pool with young topless women and Epstein mocking Trump as a bigger sleazeball.
  • He says both men venerated models and used the modeling world as a shared currency.
INSIGHT

Why Trump Survived Adjacency

  • Many powerful men fell from association with Epstein while Trump remained politically resilient.
  • Wolff highlights the contrast between other men's downfalls and Trump's survival as revealing about power and protection.
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