Today we will be talking with Abbie Maroño, a nonverbal communications and social influence coach. Abbie published her first paper in nonverbal communication at 19 years old, going on to do her PhD in behavior analysis and become a university lecturer at 23. She now directs a research group, BRINC, alongside her coaching and teaching. [May 9, 2022] 

00:00 – Intro 

• Social-Engineer.com 
• Managed Voice Phishing
• Managed Email Phishing

• Adversarial Simulations - 
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK
• CLUTCH 
• innocentlivesfoundation.org 

02:52 – Abbie Maroño intro 

04:47 – At what point in your life did you want to become a Nonverbal expert? 

06:56 – The reality of getting to where you want to be 

08:39 – What kept you going after rejections? 

11:15 – How does a person learn to find their passion? 

14:06 – How did you decide to make Nonverbal Communications a career? 

17:53 – How important is Open VS Closed Body Language? 

23:00 – What is orientation and why does it matter? 

27:49 – The role of body language in a virtual setting 

33:30 – The "perception" of eye-contact in a video call 

35:31 – Find Abbie Maroño on the web 

• Website link: abbiemarono.com 
• Twitter: @abbiejmarono 
• LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abbie-maroño-35ab2611a  

36:05 – New Job Announcement 

38:16 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? 

• Dr David Keatley  
• Joe Navarro 

41:16 – Book Recommendations: 

• The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel van der Kolk 
• What Every BODY is Saying – Joe Navarro 

• Unmasking the Social Engineer - Christopher J. Hadnagy 
• The Code of Trust - Robin Dreeke 
• The Timeline Toolkit - David Keatley 
• The Polyvagal Theory - Stephen Porges 

43:47 – Guest Wrap Up 

44:17 – Outro 

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• www.innocentlivesfoundation.org