On this episode, we talk through part one of Kenny & Lee's two on one date, and we're just hoping that Lee get's washed under in the tide of realness that is Kenny. We're joined by Phoebe Robinson of the amazing 2 Dope Queens podcast, who helps us say goodbye to the tickle monster and Jack Stone, and say hello to men in tight handball uniforms. Lastly, we discuss part 1 of DeMario's exclusive interview with E! News and brace ourselves for an entire new episode this evening.

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