Keen On America From Carney to Epstein: Orderers vs Disorderers in our Age of Upheaval
Dec 30, 2025
In a thought-provoking conversation, Jason Pack, host of the Disorder podcast and a keen commentator on global geopolitics, discusses the evolving battle between 'orderers' and 'disorderers' in today's turbulent world. He asserts that Mark Carney emerged as a figure of stability in 2025, while predicts Epstein's re-emergence will stoke conspiracy fears in 2026. Pack emphasizes the dangers of ignoring elite unaccountability and warns against the rise of extremist movements, highlighting the need for a strong, technocratic approach to leadership.
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Orderers Failed To Unite
- Jason Pack argues 2025 showed orderers failed to form a coherent coalition against disorderers like Trump.
- He sees Mark Carney's Canada as a rare example where orderers coalesced effectively.
Technocracy Over Populist Whiplash
- Pack says his preference for technocracy isn't pure nostalgia but a desire for expert-driven policy over populist swings.
- He argues technocratic decisions should be data-driven rather than politically reactive.
Putin's Tactical Wins, Structural Weaknesses
- Pack sees Putin as a political survivor who benefited amid Western disunity but faces structural economic weaknesses.
- He notes lower oil revenues and shifting global buyers reduce Russia's leverage despite tactical gains.