Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE

May 15, 2025

Tom Campbell, a physicist and author of the My Big TOE trilogy, delves into his fascinating collaboration with Robert Monroe, a pioneer in out-of-body experiences. He shares insights into developing the Hemi-Sync system, which amplifies psychic abilities. The conversation touches on the balance of intellect and intuition in understanding consciousness. Campbell also explores the connections between entropy, societal evolution, and the importance of empathy. This engaging dialogue presents a compelling fusion of science and spirituality, offering a new perspective on reality.

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ANECDOTE

Balanced Intuition and Logic

Tom practiced and cultivated both intuitive and logical faculties from childhood onward.
He believes true balance comes from integrating and harmonizing intuition with logic, avoiding dominance of either side.

ANECDOTE

Developing Binaural Beat Technology

Tom Campbell joined Robert Monroe's lab and helped develop binaural beat tapes to facilitate out-of-body experiences.
They optimized 4 Hz binaural beats, which proved very effective in shifting consciousness states for many people.

INSIGHT

Out-of-Body Experiences as Tests

Out-of-body experiences involve ongoing tests by non-physical entities to assess maturity and readiness.
These tests grow harder until the individual is mature enough; failure means not being ready yet.

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Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE

Tom Campbell, a physicst, is author of the three volume set, My Big TOE, describing a meta-theory that offers an account of the paranormal, as well as other scientific mysteries. He is also the founder of the Center for Unification of Science and Consciousness. His website is https://www.my-big-toe.com/

Here he describes a six-year period in his life as a young scientist when he worked intensely with Robert Monroe, author of Journeys Out of the Body. During his period, Tom helped to develop Monroe’s trademarked Hemi-Sync process. Additionally, his own psychic abilities were greatly accelerated. This period initiated Tom Campbell’s work on his “Big TOE” theory of everything. In addition to a serious reflection on the work of Monroe, this interview is an introduction to Tom Campbell’s theory.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:14:43 Out-of-body experiences
00:30:48 Researching consciousness
00:43:22 Out-of-body schooling and tests
00:59:04 Psychic acceleration
01:18:13 The goal of lowering entropy
01:31:42 The limitations of Monroe’s approach
01:44:17 Tom Campbell’s theory
02:04:51 The impact of Bob Monroe
02:07:32 Conclusion

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(Recorded on April 7, 2025)

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