Grain Surfboards is not your typical surf shop, and Brian Schopfer is not your typical surf shop owner. To begin with, his boards are made of wood. And you have to build them yourself. Using only hand tools. And they're expensive. And people are lining up to do it. Join me as Brian and I chat about surf culture, surf cliques, skiing vs snowboarding, the joy of building something by hand and sailing through a hurricane.