The Russell Moore Show Mark Batterson on the Slow (then Fast) Work of a Long Obedience
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Nov 5, 2025 
In this discussion, Mark Batterson, lead pastor of National Community Church and bestselling author, delves into the concept of gradual transformation. He emphasizes that major life changes often build up unseen over time before appearing sudden. Batterson explores the nuances of patience versus stagnation and the dangers of church celebrity culture on character formation. He provides insights on cultivating imagination, the importance of grit through suffering, and the long-term vision necessary for leadership. This conversation is a profound encouragement for anyone on a spiritual journey.
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Gradually Then Suddenly Pattern
- Breakthroughs and failures often follow the same pattern: long preparation that appears sudden in hindsight.
- Mark Batterson argues miracles, calling, and skill development typically happen "gradually, then suddenly."
Delayed Calling To Write
- Mark felt called to write at 22 but didn't publish until 35 after years of sermons and blogs.
- He says premature success would have required retraction, so the delay shaped his voice and wisdom.
Called To And Released From
- Discernment must weigh both being 'called to' and 'released from' a task.
- Batterson cites Peter Marshall: don't go if you aren't released, and don't stay if you are released.
