The Internet, Power, and the Deep State: Zeynep Tufekci on Technology and Democracy Today
Feb 26, 2025
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Zeynep Tufekci, a New York Times columnist and Princeton sociology professor, discusses the intricate relationship between technology, media, and political power. She explores how social media shapes civic engagement and political movements, citing examples like Elon Musk's role in European politics. Tufekci highlights the erosion of public trust in institutions, challenges faced during public health crises, and the consequential governance crisis in the U.S. The conversation urges a critical look at the risks of unchecked technological influence and political complacency.
The podcast discusses how social media, initially seen as a democratizing force, increasingly serves political interests, particularly during the Trump administration.
Concerns are raised about judicial independence being threatened by political targeting and public intimidation, paralleling tactics seen in authoritarian regimes.
Deep dives
The Role of Social Media in Protest Movements
The discussion highlights the complex dynamics between powerful social media platforms and their alignment with political interests, particularly emphasized during the Trump administration. The former optimism surrounding social media as a democratizing force has been challenged as these platforms increasingly cater to those in power, as seen in the strategic use of Twitter and other platforms during political campaigns. Notably, this trend was foreseen by many scholars, suggesting that instead of solely benefiting democratic movements, these technologies can also bolster authoritarianism and censorship. This underscores the importance of maintaining transparency and accountability in the relationship between technology and politics.
Pandemics and Public Trust
Pandemics serve as critical sociological forces influencing health institutions and public trust, a point underscored in the conversation about the COVID-19 pandemic and ongoing threats such as bird flu. The discussion reveals that public health authorities' attempts to manage the crisis often resulted in self-inflicted wounds to their credibility, stemming from poor communication and transparency regarding uncertainties. The appointment of questionable individuals to key health positions raises concerns about the efficacy of the U.S. health system's response to future outbreaks. This situation reflects a broader crisis of trust in health institutions, reminiscent of historical public health challenges.
Shifting Political Dynamics and the ‘Deep State’
The podcast elaborates on the notion of the ‘deep state’ in the context of the U.S. government, comparing it to historical instances in Turkey where entrenched bureaucracies held significant power. It suggests that the erosion of checks and balances within the U.S. has allowed successive administrations, including the current one, to exert their power unchecked, raising alarms about the potential consequences for democratic governance. Compounding this issue is the increasing dysfunction of Congress, which has failed to rein in the executive’s overreach, thereby facilitating a dangerous accumulation of power in the hands of a few. This dynamic reflects a worrying trend that threatens democratic institutions and accountability mechanisms.
Challenges to Judicial Independence
Judicial independence is increasingly jeopardized by the intertwining of politics and personal attacks, particularly exemplified by high-profile figures targeting judges and their families. The discussion reveals how public targeting of individuals related to judicial figures can create an atmosphere of intimidation, undermining the judiciary's ability to function independently and impartially. This trend is alarming, especially as it parallels tactics observed in authoritarian regimes, where the judiciary is coerced into compliance. The podcast urges listeners to recognize the seriousness of these threats before they escalate, advocating for vigilance against the erosion of democratic norms.
As the second Trump administration reshapes the U.S. government and its role in the world, how do technology, media, and political power intersect? In this episode of International Horizons, host John Torpey speaks with Zeynep Tufekci—New York Times columnist, Princeton professor, and author of Twitter and Tear Gas—about the evolving relationship between social media platforms, political movements, and democracy. From the shifting role of the internet in global protests to Elon Musk’s interventions in European politics, Tufekci unpacks the historical patterns shaping today’s political landscape. The conversation also explores the erosion of public trust in institutions, the implications of a weakened federal government, and the risks of unchecked technological influence. Tune in for a deep dive into the forces reshaping democracy at home and abroad.