Host — Tim Villegas Host of Think Inclusive, framing this “best of” episode and guiding four featured conversations on inclusion.

Lou Brown Co‑founder of TASH; this previously unpublished 2019 clip covers “ultimate functioning,” vertical and horizontal teaming, and why inclusive, integrated settings matter for learning and behavior.

Katie Novak Universal Design for Learning (UDL) expert and former assistant superintendent; she challenges ineffective standardized assessments and urges impact‑over‑intent, evidence‑informed teaching.

Alfie Kohn Author of Punished by Rewards; explains how extrinsic incentives (stickers, points, praise-as-reward, PBIS) can erode students’ intrinsic motivation.

Cheryl Jorgensen Author and longtime inclusion advocate; draws clear parallels between civil rights and disability rights and offers practical advice for educators working toward system change.

This “Best of” episode features four powerful clips: a never‑before‑released conversation with Lou Brown from 2019; plus highlights with Katie Novak, Alfie Kohn, and Cheryl Jorgensen. Together they tackle enduring questions—why inclusive placements outperform segregated “special classes,” how UDL can counter inaccessible assessment systems, why rewards often backfire, and how disability rights sit alongside civil rights. It’s a practical, plain‑spoken primer on building schools where every learner belongs.

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