COP30 Preview (w/ TIME's Justin Worland)

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This week, Justin Worland, senior correspondent at TIME, is back on the show to delve into the COP30 and what you will want to know about this critical convening of world leaders. As one of the top journalists covering climate change and international climate policy, Justin shares his perspective on the evolving nature of these global conferences and what's actually at stake this year in Brazil. We explore the shift from traditional negotiation-focused COPs to more dynamic gatherings where non-state actors, the private sector, and civil societies play pivotal and different roles and government action occurs beyond the final, agreed upon text. Worland highlights the importance of understanding the broader international picture, with domestic pressures playing an even bigger role in this year's global climate considerations.

We also discuss Brazil's unique position as this year's host and what that could mean given its outsized role in climate importance and its recent trends toward greater climate action. Worland explains Brazil's focus under President Lula to curb deforestation and advance climate solutions, positioning the country as a true international leader. With this in mind, we discuss the challenges and opportunities of implementing climate commitments in 2025, the role and relevance of multilateralism, and the rising tensions between national interests and global cooperation amid new tarrifs, lacking domestic climate plans, and the US pulling out of the Paris Agreement again.

We look at all the big items up for discussion at COP30, including adaptation, loss and damage, and climate finance. I also ask Worland to reflect on the past decade since the Paris Agreement and how that serves as a backdrop to the current climate landscape. How resilient can international agreements be amid the current geopolitical shifts? I thought his answer was super interesting. And the same can be said about Worland's examination of the recent Bill Gates' memo on climate change and the subsequent backlash. This episode is a must-listen to both understand COP30 and also the current state of climate action as cultural and political shifts have been tremendously impactful.

Follow Justin Worland's reporting here at TIME Magazine during COP30 (and always!)

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