Jeff has interviewed authors of leadership books since before I started writing mine. I enjoyed being a guest on his podcast.

This time he's on mine, and it's a landmark event, as the next section describes.

If you're here for leadership, Jeff is a great example of turning an interest into becoming an important person in a field.

If you're here for environmental leadership, listen for Jeff's project---one of the biggest of any guest so far in terms of leading himself and others. I'll let you listen to find out the details, but I'll mention that he takes a leadership role in his community to help people achieve something they all want but no one else has done.

Later episodes will reveal how his project goes, but already you can hear his interest in acting over just waiting.

Why I'm proud

I note that Jeff has read hundreds of leadership books and spoken to hundreds of leadership authors. My book, Leadership Step by Step, and this podcast are the first that led Jeff to lead---not just to talk, read, or write about leadership but to act.

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