This episode was recorded LIVE at the 2023 Symmetry Systems Unconference on Zero Trust, adjunct to RSAC 2023.

Allan is joined by his friend Claude Mandy, former CISO, former analyst, and now Chief Evangelist at Symmetry Systems.  Like Allan, Claude is a Zero Trust enthusiast.  The podcast was the capstone to a long day of Zero Trust presentations, panels, book reviews and other great topics and conversations.

Join Allan and Claude at this live recording that covers:

- How does DSPM fit into Zero Trust?

- Allan's victory at a recent Digital Fight Club event where he championed Zero Trust

- Overcoming Zero Trust marketing hype

- Is Zero Trust a framework, an architecture, or something else?  Hint: Claude says it's something else.

- What are the biggest challenges in implementing Zero Trust?

- What are the benefits to the business of Zero Trust?

- Security is about the intersection of Data & Entities - not about Assets

- What are the most exciting aspects of RSAC 2023 for Claude and Allan?