Jay'sAnalysis Pt 1 - The Catholicism or Orthodoxy DEBATE: Tim Gordon vs. Jay Dyer | The Rift
Aug 25, 2025
Timothy Gordon, a Thomistic philosopher and theologian known for advocating Roman Catholicism, engages in a deep and spirited discussion with Jay Dyer. They explore intricate theological differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, particularly the nature of God and the concept of the Trinity. The debate covers divine simplicity, the Filioque controversy, and the roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Their lively exchange reveals the complexities and historical tensions that continue to shape these two rich traditions.
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Host's Journey Across Traditions
- Elijah Schaefer recounts his search across Christian traditions when noticing modern church problems.
- He frames the debate as an effort to decide between Catholic and Orthodox claims to be the true church.
Jay Dyer's Personal Conversion Path
- Jay shares his personal journey from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy, noting prior Protestant background and Latin Mass practice.
- He situates his conversion in 2017 and gives listeners resources to find his work.
Orthodoxy Claims First-Millennium Continuity
- Jay Dyer describes Orthodoxy as preserving first-millennium synodal tradition and valuing truth over numbers.
- He frames Orthodoxy as the unchanged church Christ established, emphasizing continuity with early councils.
