Alexander Gabuev is the Director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, based in Berlin.

In this episode, he talks about having to leave Moscow and how he now gauges what's happening in Russia from abroad. He explains how Russia is out of options and increasingly seems to become a vassal state of China, and he talks about how alienation between China and Russia on one side, and the West on the other, is here to stay – and what that means.

Alexander  will speak at the STATE OF ASIA conference in Zurich on November 22, 2023. Find information on how to get tickets on our website.

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STATE OF ASIA is a podcast from Asia Society Switzerland. 
Season 5, episode 2 - Published: October 3, 2023
Host: Serena Jung,Program and Communications Director, Asia Society Switzerland
Editor and Producer: Remko Tanis, Programs and Editorial Manager, Asia Society Switzerland