Joseph Stanley, a Yale professor and expert on fascism, discusses his move to Canada due to concerns about rising authoritarianism in the U.S. He links contemporary fascist threats to historical patterns of systemic racism and oppression. Stanley highlights the manipulation of narratives to control the past and the dangers this poses for democracy. He also addresses the troubling impacts of government overreach, especially during Trump's second term, and stresses the importance of defending education and historical truth against ongoing political challenges.
Joseph Stanley's move to Canada reflects his concerns about the increasing authoritarianism in the U.S. threatening democratic values.
The podcast emphasizes the historical context of fascism in America, linking contemporary political issues to persistent systems of oppression like Jim Crow.
Deep dives
The Menendez Brothers Case Revisited
In 1989, Eric and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents, with the prevailing belief that financial gain was the motive. However, during their trials, the brothers presented a narrative of enduring abuse that led to these tragic events. Recent developments in their case indicate the possibility of their release after decades behind bars, urging a reconsideration of their circumstances and the parental dynamics involved. This ongoing legal saga highlights the complexity of familial relationships and questions surrounding justice.
Concerns About Authoritarianism in the U.S.
A prominent Yale professor has decided to leave the United States, characterizing it as increasingly authoritarian and hostile to democratic values. Highlighting the present dangers, he notes how policies under the Trump administration have systematically targeted various groups, particularly focusing on those who advocate for diversity and inclusion. The professor expresses concern over the attack on black and Jewish identities and warns that this erosion of rights not only threatens specific communities but also undermines the foundations of democracy itself. His relocation to Canada is presented as a proactive step toward engaging in a nation that seeks to uphold democratic ideals.
Fascism and Its Historical Context in America
The discussion draws parallels between contemporary political climates in the U.S. and historical instances of fascism, asserting that authoritarianism has deep roots in American society. The Black intellectual tradition has long referred to systems like Jim Crow as fascist, emphasizing that the characteristics of fascism are not foreign to American history. The interview suggests that cultural portrayals of fascism often overlook its local manifestations and that the roots of racial and ideological suppression have been persistent. The importance of recognizing these patterns is crucial for understanding the trajectory of present-day politics and advocating for a more equitable society.
Last week one of the U.S.’s leading scholars and thinkers on fascism announced his intention to leave his country, which he said was “tilting toward authoritarian dictatorship.” Jason Stanley will be leaving Yale and taking up a post at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs.
Stanley has been warning about the threat and rise of fascism in the United States since Donald Trump’s first term – his work notes the throughline between American Jim Crow and the Third Reich, fascism’s reliance on the identification of internal enemies, and why fascism rests upon the promise of restoring a mythic past.
Stanley is a longtime professor and his latest book is titled ‘Erasing History, how fascists rewrite the past to control the future.’ He joins the show to discuss his decision to come to Canada as an academic refugee, and situate fascism in the broader continuum of American history.