Family Time: Women of Color, Leadership, and Belonging

In this third Gospel, Race, and Belonging conversation, Evan sits down in the Wickhams’ living room with three amazing women who help lead Park Hill Church — Pastor Sandy Wickham, Pastor Arielle Dortch, and Nicolette Herrera.

All three are experienced pastors and leaders — but in this episode, Evan didn’t ask them to preach or teach. He asked them to simply be real.

What follows is a raw, funny, and deeply honest conversation about faith, ethnicity, leadership, and belonging as women of color in a predominantly white church. It’s full of laughter, vulnerability, and grace — a glimpse of what true spiritual family sounds like.

Our hope is that this conversation inspires holy and disruptive conversations in your own homes and communities — for the sake of deeper unity in Jesus.