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Ep 165 with Ash Sarkar (Part 2)

Sep 14, 2025
In the second part of the conversation with Ash Sarkar, a political commentator and author of *Minority Rule*, they delve into the complexities of racism and strategies for meaningful change. Sarkar shares personal experiences navigating societal issues and emphasizes the power of grassroots movements. The duo humorously contrasts U.S. and UK political candidacy processes, critiques the disillusionment with politicians, and explores the balance of optimism and community trust in shaping future perspectives.
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ADVICE

Choose How To Confront Racism

  • Pick your moments when confronting racist language and differentiate instigators from those who follow along.
  • Deal with egregious incidents directly but avoid policing every minor linguistic slip.
ANECDOTE

Childhood Confrontation With Racism

  • Ash Sarkar recounts being eight and fighting a child who used racist language while visiting Norfolk with her mother.
  • Her mother framed the fight as a learning moment, showing early, direct confrontation against racism in practice.
ADVICE

Build Power Outside Elections

  • Build power outside formal politics via community unions, trade unions, and local organizers.
  • Engage in community work like food banks and centers to build practical credibility and connections.
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