Sam discusses the joy fest during the DNC and the growing gulf between those who think you can stop fascism in the US while still enabling a genocide in Gaza, and those who think that is completely incompatible. Cheers to all the protesters at the DNC for telling the truth this past week. Follow @uncommittedmvmt on TikTok for the voices clipped in today's episode.

Then, she talks with Stephen Eisenman, Professor Emeritus of Art History at Northwestern University. He has a forthcoming book out with artist collaborator Sue Coe titled The Young Person’s Illustrated Guide to American Fascism (⁠available in October; preorder now⁠). Eisenman is also the author of numerous articles and nine books including The Abu Ghraib Effect and The Ecology of Impressionism. Eisenman is also a curator, critic, activist and co-founder of the environmental non-profit, Anthropocene Alliance. He is a regular contributor to the online publication CounterPunch. View Sue Coe's artwork at suecoe.com and follow her on Instagram at @suecoeart.

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

The Young Person's Illustrated Guide to American Fascism + DNC Vibes